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Old 03-03-2021, 10:33 PM   #1
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Rapid Wax and ONR

Hi guys today i gave the car a coating of Polish Angel Rapid Wax.
The car looks fantastic. As the weather improves will i be able to wash the car using ONR and de ionised water?
Or would the ONR deplete the Rapid Wax in some way.
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Old 03-03-2021, 10:44 PM   #2
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It should be fine
The only thing i could think of is onr leaving some residue so might slighty effect the hydrophobic nature of rapidwaxx

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Old 03-03-2021, 11:44 PM   #3
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Yep as above, ONR does leave a temporary film which can temporarily mask the Rapidwaxx.

Everyone has their opinion on ONR, personally think that on paint it is inherently unsafe when you are trying to minimise surface marring etc and (if/where possible) would always opt for a wash routine which incorporated a pre-wash and either 2BM/Multiple mitts with a pure shampoo that can be rinsed from the panel.
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Old 04-03-2021, 08:08 AM   #4
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Give it a try and report back with your findings.

I'm genuinely on the fence about ONR, I know how it is supposed to encapsulate the dirt via the use of surfactants, but I just cant get my head around how it wont damage the paintwork.

In saying that, there are some posts from a while back which demonstrated excellent results. One of the members, Steve iirc, regularly used it on his Laguna coupe, and the paintwork looked to be in fantastic condition.

Surfactants do, however, leave a residue unless thoroughly rinsed off the surface (it's the same when using an APC on upholstery) So unless you rinse the panel thoroughly, after using the ONR, I imagine you'll see it having an impact on expected water behaviour.

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Old 06-03-2021, 02:31 PM   #5
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ONR isn't like normal shampoo, it uses polymers to protect the paint and give it its slickness, as you wash the polymers bond to surface so with polymers bonded to the surface and in the solution your rubbing polymers against polymers giving ONR its slickness and providing a bit of protection to the paint.
Its these polymers that will be left behind after the wash mainly providing shine and slickness pretty much the same as a polymer qd spray like beadmaker.

I'm unsure as to how ONR actually cleans looking at a msds for the adams rinseless it lists no harmful substances unlike normal shampoos where your see some of the surfactants listed, my guess is it uses the polymers to displace and encapsulate the dirt rather than surfactants and suds like a traditional shampoo.

ONR is safer than a traditional shampoo theres no rules on how you have to use it you can still snowfoam before and wash with 2 buckets and Multiple mitts if you want its just not as necessary with ONR as it protects from scratches better than traditional shampoo.
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ONR as it protects from scratches better than traditional shampoo.
Sweeping statement alert and 2 for the price of 1 at that.

I'd suspect that outside of the US you'll not find many professionals using ONR in place of a shampoo... I wonder why that is.
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I'd suspect that outside of the US you'll not find many professionals using ONR in place of a shampoo... I wonder why that is.
Onr definitely has it place, i used it today as the car was just dusty. I have used it for years and have never had any problems.
I wont use it if the car is dirty though, could be ok but i have never tried it
Anthing more than dust/light dirt and its the full, citrus/snow foam/shampoo for me

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I use ONR all the time as I have no water near the car for easy shampoo and rinse. I would always use a good shampoo in preference if it were possible.

I love ONR but always consider it a substitute for shampooing.

I use TW dry and shine all the time after ONR with no noticeable issues.
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I have just started using onr, I prefer it over normal shampoo just quicker, easier and nicer to use. I think it does have its limitations though and with a heavily soiled car snow foam and normal shampoo would definitely be better.
To me O.N.R seems much slicker than normal shampoo and so I would guess better at preventing damage to paint.
I think most "professionals" just stick with what they know works rather than try something new also I suspect most the cars they clean will be heavily soiled and not have been washed in a while.

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I also prefer the slickness of ONR to regular shampoo and really the purpose of a shampoo is to add slickness to water, the suds don't add anything.

For a really dirty car I'd see nothing wrong with snowfoaming and pressure washing then following up with an ONR wash.
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