Detailing World  

Go Back   Detailing World > Lifestyle > The Motoring Zone
DW Home Forum Home Merchandise Store Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

The Motoring Zone Just bought a car? Need advice on a car? Want to chat about cars generally? Here is the place to do it.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 19-06-2021, 10:20 AM   #21
Andy from Sandy
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Andy from Sandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,332
Thanks: 284
Thanked 1,233 Times in 912 Posts
I only think of electrolysis of water to get hydrogen. Using power from solar or wind is attractive in that the energy doesn't produce pollution in the way other power production does.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcell...en-fuel-basics
Andy from Sandy is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Andy from Sandy For This Useful Post:
Caledoniandream (19-06-2021)
Old 19-06-2021, 10:22 AM   #22
Caledoniandream
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Caledoniandream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Where the people ar real
Posts: 1,474
Thanks: 760
Thanked 1,323 Times in 908 Posts
I come from a country that originally heated with coal, and cooked on coal gas, when in the late 50’s they found a massive gas bell under the country, who would deliver gas for years to come.
The government agreed in 1962 that by 1970 every street and every house would be heating and cooking on natural gas.
By 1969 they completed the biggest project in the country, after that they build the delta works to do an even bigger one.

What I try to say, if Governements want it, it will happen, if the benefits are big enough and they want it desperate enough they will find solution.

When Berta Benz did that journey that everything changed, she got laughed at, she had to fill up with little bottles from a pharmacy.
People thought she was to fail, they didn’t want it, they didn’t believe in it.
See where we are now?

Because we don’t like electric cars we think it is not going to happen, a bit like when the first car was in Britain and a man with a red flag had to walk in front.
As the horse cart drivers where against it, how many time have you been on a horse driven coach to go to your destination, there are probably no people left who can remember it, but the next generation is definitely still here.

And we think in plug-in points, but I don’t charge my phone by plugging it in, I lay it on a pad, or shove it in a cubby hole in the car, and it get charged.
Could be something for cars in the future.

Last edited by Caledoniandream; 19-06-2021 at 06:40 PM.
Caledoniandream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-06-2021, 06:00 PM   #23
Snowglobe
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Snowglobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: On the edge of reality
Posts: 1,304
Thanks: 968
Thanked 182 Times in 142 Posts
that's an interesting thought about contactless charging.

I'm still puzzled about the amount of lithium and other important elements that we need to find and then recycle.
I hadn't even considered the fire risks that someone pointed out earlier, but most cars, vans, trucks carry some sort of flammable or explosive parts already.

Something else that occurs to me is what will be the size and capacity of batteries needed to power large vehicles, such as articulated lorries, earth movers, and aeroplanes

Some interesting points so far mean that most of our society haven't questioned the direction we are taking.
Thanks
Snowglobe is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Snowglobe For This Useful Post:
Soul boy 68 (19-06-2021)
Old 19-06-2021, 07:54 PM   #24
The happy goat
Orbital Oracle
 
The happy goat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Far away from the stupid people
Posts: 512
Thanks: 241
Thanked 379 Times in 274 Posts
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy from Sandy View Post
As a user of lithium batteries in radio controlled models I have seen nothing really change and certainly not what I would call a step change in over 10 years.

It has always been that if you want more power then you pay in extra weight.
I must be very powerful
The happy goat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to The happy goat For This Useful Post:
Darlofan (20-06-2021)
Old 19-06-2021, 08:46 PM   #25
dholdi
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
dholdi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Preston
Posts: 2,209
Thanks: 378
Thanked 986 Times in 766 Posts
I'm sure I read recently about a test section of road that had been built that charges the vehicles as they use it.
dholdi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2021, 08:56 AM   #26
Andy from Sandy
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Andy from Sandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,332
Thanks: 284
Thanked 1,233 Times in 912 Posts
Inductance charging is nowhere near as efficient as a direct connection. It also generates heat.

Transformers use inductance but because the windings are in close proximity and because there is the magnet core material they are very efficient. It would need a way to get that close coupling to make it more efficient.
Andy from Sandy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2021, 10:31 AM   #27
Caledoniandream
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Caledoniandream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Where the people ar real
Posts: 1,474
Thanks: 760
Thanked 1,323 Times in 908 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy from Sandy View Post
Inductance charging is nowhere near as efficient as a direct connection. It also generates heat.

Transformers use inductance but because the windings are in close proximity and because there is the magnet core material they are very efficient. It would need a way to get that close coupling to make it more efficient.
Dropping charger plate underneath the car?
Engineering is looking for solutions not for problems, different mindset.
Both my PHEV’s when plugged in need cooling, as any charging generates heat.
On a side thought, I hope it is enough to defrost my windows in the winter
Caledoniandream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2021, 11:18 AM   #28
Andy from Sandy
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Andy from Sandy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 2,332
Thanks: 284
Thanked 1,233 Times in 912 Posts
Charging the phone from completely dead to 100% using a cable took an average of 14.26 watt-hours (Wh). Using a wireless charger took, on average, 21.01 Wh. That comes out to slightly more than 47% more energy for the convenience of not plugging in a cable.

https://debugger.medium.com/wireless...in%20a%20cable.

Of course a solution is required but just using the above it could be one heck of an overhead people were not expecting especially when having to pay.
Andy from Sandy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-06-2021, 01:12 PM   #29
GleemSpray
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
GleemSpray's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: South Manchester UK
Posts: 4,199
Thanks: 513
Thanked 2,715 Times in 1,831 Posts
BTW, a Li-on phone battery will generally have a longer life span if you try to charge it no more than about 80% full.

Also try not to discharge it lower than 10% for the same reason.
GleemSpray is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to GleemSpray For This Useful Post:
Caledoniandream (20-06-2021)
Old 20-06-2021, 01:21 PM   #30
Caledoniandream
OCD Sufferer (Obsessive Car Detailer)
 
Caledoniandream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Where the people ar real
Posts: 1,474
Thanks: 760
Thanked 1,323 Times in 908 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by GleemSpray View Post
BTW, a Li-on phone battery will generally have a longer life span if you try to charge it no more than about 80% full.

Also try not to discharge it lower than 10% for the same reason.
Correct, so does EV batteries.
London EV busses are set to maximum 80% charge to extend battery life, the Lexus hybrid (Toyota drive-line) does the same, only on long decent using the regeneration it will charge close to 100%.
Caledoniandream is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
DTO Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

vB.Sponsors
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
DTO Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

vB.Sponsors