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Old 23-04-2021, 09:47 PM   #11
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Old 24-04-2021, 12:26 AM   #12
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When sanding you could use no pressure, go in 1 direction and count the number of times you go back and forth so you have a method thats easy to repeat and will produce results similar enough for the test. I think polishing just adds more variables that will make it more difficult to get similar results.
That is a good option, but If I put in sanding marks that a light polish can't fully remove, I should have a decent defect level and still have it worked in evenly (not just grinding in 1 direction). I'll play around with it this weekend and see what I end up with.
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Old 24-04-2021, 07:38 AM   #13
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Picked up a pack of Wet sand paper. All of them are velco backed (7 inch size though...) ranging from 1000 to 3000. What I think I'm going to do is do a section with 2000 and a section with 3000 and polish them both with a couple different light polishes and see how the results look. If 2000 is a bit too much I'll use 3000 and let the black fender be my haze/fill panel going forward.

Panel setup on my winter rims, ready for a wetsand and polish over the weekend.

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It could really use it too.
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Ok, did a quick round of wet sanding and polishing today to see how the seconds would take to a couple light polishes, and to see how well I can wetsand without ever having done it before - Spoiler alert, I suck.

In my defense, this panel is extremely non flat so getting into the dips and valleys was hard. It was also hard to keep it still so I had to jump between wetting and holding.

I used Meguiars Ultimate Polish and Optimum Hyper Polish as my tests, and did one section per grit (2000 and 3000 grit). Things looked good after the wipe off but panel wipe showed that a lot of defects were left behind. The results say that 3000 should be a good pairing for Megs UP (easier to restock than Hyper Polish) and once I get better at wet sanding (or use the other fender - its flatter) I should be good to go. Pics below.

2000 grit after drying off.
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3000 grit after drying off.
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3000 grit UP after panel wiping.
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3000 grit HP after panel wiping.
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2000 grit HP after panel wiping.
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2000 grit UP after panel wiping.
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And here is a spot that was not sanded or polished (had wax/sealant on it from last test).
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Old 24-04-2021, 07:36 PM   #15
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Great idea, thanks for doing it
Look forward to the results

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OK so I was not impressed with my performance hand wet-sanding so I decided to cut the pads down to fit my 3 inch polisher backing plate and give that a go (what do I have to lose, it's a junk panel anyway right?). Overall the performance was MUCH more consistent and it was easy to achieve a consistent haze. The issue of the fender not being flat still persisted though, which is making me rethink using this panel despite it's excellent ability to show defects. I might try a small section on the other fender and see if the performance is more consistent. Technically this fender would work, but I want this to be easily repeatable, and at this rate it's not.

Anywho, here is the photos of my attempts. I did follow up with a long UP session to see how the final results would look in a naked ready for LSP environment.

Full panel, 3000 grit, prior to polishing.
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3000 grit prior to polishing
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3000 grit, after polishing before panel wipe.
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3000 grit, after polishing and panel wiping.
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Eyes and Opinions Wanted!

Over the past 2 nights I setup 5 test sections with 5 products and after 24hours (minimum) cure I photographed them under 2 different wetting conditions to showcase the performance of each. I say Eyes and Opinions wanted as I'm trying to determine if this is a image/format/angle etc that would be considered useful.

So let me know! Is this formatting useful to you, or do you want to see these photographed in a different manner. I can try setting the panel level and getting a water bead contact angle shot from a full on side shot. Let me know. This is not the "durability" photo, I need to establish a baseline reference shot first and then I can degrade the products before photographing again to showcase the "wear".

This is the first angle I tried before switching to a different angle as I found the new (next) angle showcased the bead shape better.
DSC_2481 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Below are photos of the products with a strong back light, after being wet with a mist setting on the trigger nozzle (this produces the best beads the product can produce).

Wowo Crystal Sealant
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Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray Coating
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Mothers CMX Spray Coating
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Turtle Wax Seal N Shine V2
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TAC System Shinee Wax
DSC_2490 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Below are photos of each section after a Shower setting rinse. I moved the nozzle across the panel at a fairly high rate of speed to prevent flooding and dry-sheeting, while also slow enough to leave behind enough product to produce beads.

TAC System Shinee Wax
DSC_2491 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Turtle Wax Seal N Shine V2
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Mothers CMX Spray Coating
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Turtle Wax Ceramic Spray Coating
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Wowo Crystal Sealant
DSC_2496 by brianjosephson1, on Flickr

Okay, thanks for looking. Let me know what you think! I tried out the same products on wet sanded sections but wasn't impressed with the results. I will work on that and add it into the results eventually, once I have a fair comparison.
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Old 05-05-2021, 10:45 AM   #18
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Sheep, this is absolutely excellent. I dont recall having seen a comparison like this, done in this way, before. Top marks from me. Very much looking forward to how this continues.

Perhaps making a list of sealants you want to try but dont have would be good too so we can maybe send you some
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Sheep, this is absolutely excellent. I dont recall having seen a comparison like this, done in this way, before. Top marks from me. Very much looking forward to how this continues.

Perhaps making a list of sealants you want to try but dont have would be good too so we can maybe send you some
I will down the road when I run out of my own supply, as if right now I have more than enough to keep me busy. I am going to play a bit more tonight and see if I can figure out a way to get a shot of a contact angle. After that durability testing using APC is fairly straight forward. Still working on the haze/filling abilities portion though.
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